Transfiguration

Started by Brett Black, May 20, 2013, 02:47:37 PM

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Brett Black

With the help of Lewis Gigando, Seta Jaganshi, Death, Blaze, and Tobias we have sought out a setup that allocates perks, and/or a perk with each Transfiguration spell. Transfiguration spells, as we know it, are purely used for RP purposes. (Aside from the noobs that spam it on people for annoyance)
Here is a list of the trans spells.

Other-to-Human - Mainly to help other people.

Carrotosi - Allows you to jump over 1-2 tiles. For example, if there is a small ravine in front of you, you can hop over it. When trying to talk, an emote will say "[m] sniffs around, their whiskers jiggle around as a result."

Ribbitous - Allows you to walk on, or under water. Can not speak when talking in say, it will come out as, "Ribbit!".

Delicio - Can be eaten by being bumped, or an eat verb. When eaten, no gold/exp is lost. (RP purposes) The verb/bump will have a slight chance of a hit, or miss. That similar of the catch-snitch verb. There would be a spam timer (5 minutes with each cast) "[m] tries to talk but they are trapped inside the turkey."

Peskipixie Pesternomae - Pixies are naturally annoying and obnoxious. You would have uncontrolled/random movements. Random emotes would appear. For example, "[m] screams."

Avifors - Ability to fly over anything without having to jump on a broom. "Crows" every once in a while instead of talking.

Nightus - Ability to fly over anything without having to jump on a broom. Also gives a better view in the dark? Luminosity for player view only..If player tries to talk, an emote will come out saying "[m] sends out a high pitched screech."

Felinious - You can climb trees/bookshelves/etc without having to fly. When trying to talk in say a "Meow." will come out.

Scurries - Can not talk in say. It will only come out as "Squeak!". Can hide under small things such as tables, statues, trees, etc.

Harvesto - If you are above a grass tile, you can bury yourself into the grass and only have the stem sticking out. This could be of great use for events, especially if the name tags are taken off. "[m] mumbles but can not be heard through the onion."

Seatio - Makes it so other players can sit on you and unable to move if sat on for 10 seconds. OR you will have a slight chance of being able to sit on the chair, similar to catch-snitch verb. If the player tries to talk while transfigured, an emote will pop out saying, "[w] rocks back and forth on the floor."

Self-to spells would be on a timer like Occlumency is to prevent it being OP.

Self-to-Skeleton - Increases defense x2.

Self-to-Dragon - Get rid of the spell. Replace level 101 spell with Self-to-Skeleton.

Self-to-Mushroom - Ability to drop seedlings only on dirt. Seedlings will produce a mushroom in 2-3 minutes upon planting.

Self-To-Human - Counter to all spells.

** I would also like to note that it would be a nice addition if name tags were taken off while you are transfigured. If not all spells-- harvesto, seatio and self to mushroom would be good spells to have the name tag disappear.

Feed back anyone?

Theodore Richards

Absolutely love these ideas, I always though that the Transfiguration spells were lacking and this would give them an actual use.

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Murrawhip

Ability to fly over walls isn't something I see working.
Why can some transfigurations talk but others can't?
I don't see many ravines in TWC.
Delicio, and Seatio seems like they might be OP.
I'd prefer to replace self-to-dragon with something else altogether. It's an awful looking transfiguration.

If these things can be solved, I absolutely wouldn't mind giving transfigurations some kind of effect.

Brett Black

My post has been modified.

There are tiny ravines in the SB maze. A ravine was merely an example. Fences, tables, torches, books, etc.
Might as well just get rid of the spell Self-to-Dragon altogether rather than come up with a whole new transfiguration with perks, and finding someone icon it.

Skystone

Since when did pixies talk in "say"?  :o

(And some other things Murra mentioned...)

Everything else looks AWESOME!!!! :D

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Murrawhip

My main concern currently is that, currently, newbies often get transfigured and don't have many ways of getting untransfigured. That's not too much of a big deal at present, but under your suggestion they
A. wouldn't be able to speak; and
B. with delicio, peskipiski,  and seatio be at a disadvantage in any sort of player conflict they might have.

Tobias Cauldwell

I have taken some time to think of possible solutions to these problems Murra, and I feel confident that they are rather good, and fair to both parties involved.

If I remember correctly Self to Human is now taught at level 15, so they can reverse the trans at any time. People can reach level 15 in a matter of moments after starting to book train. It would encourage new players to level up to learn that spell, as well as encouraging House Unity to help your new players not be a victim of "Transharassing."

Also not all trans spells would be unable to speak, maybe the popular ones like carrotosi and felinious we could still have speak, but do random emotes from time to time OR people can speak, but it will be in "animal language" meaning if you aren't an animal, you will hear random noises or emotes from whomever talked. If you are an animal you will see what is being said. Because if we removed the ability to speak, transfiguration spells wouldnt be used much for fun purposes.

Delicio, Seatio and Peskipiski could all share a 5-10 min cool down timer, not just on the person who cast it, but the person it was cast upon, so three people can't gang up on someone and keep transing them.  Also there could  be either an "automatic self to human" transformation after 2 - 5 (depending on the cooldown timer) minutes, or a random chance of a "Auto Reverse" if they try to "Eat" or "Sit" on Transed player. I just think it would be interesting for a 1-5% (or whatever amount you deem appropriate) chance of auto trans back into human. Finally upon death of the caster, any negative Transfiguration Spell cast upon a target is automatically removed (ie bringing in the whole fish that slughorn had from Lily Potter, that turned back into a lily flower after she died)


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Brett Black

I think that is fair for both parties. I don't know why I didn't think of this stuff xD Thanks tobi
If we are to pick between a 2-5 timer for automatic transformation, or auto reverse using chance...I vote for chance.
+1

Corey Gigando

Great ideas, Tobi. I especially like the idea of animal language, and understanding people who are the same trans as you. Personally, I think if we did go with the plan of players not speaking while transed, it should only be in Say anyway. So if a new player did get transed right off the bat, they could still ask for help with it over OOC or in their house chat.
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Tobias Cauldwell

that is what i was thinking too Corey, it would only effect say, but they can use House, OOC and Clan chats.


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Quote from: Tobias Cauldwell on May 22, 2013, 12:22:36 PM

Also not all trans spells would be unable to speak, maybe the popular ones like carrotosi and felinious we could still have speak, but do random emotes from time to time OR people can speak, but it will be in "animal language" meaning if you aren't an animal, you will hear random noises or emotes from whomever talked. If you are an animal you will see what is being said.

I see potential for Semi-Rare items to understand other transfigurations here. j/s


EDIT: Also, why don't you keep self to dragon and have it's Inflamari do like double damage. but, it uhhh idk can't enter safezones.
EDIT EDIT: Lastly, Now that Delcio is a live turkey, I don't really think we should eat it.

Rotem

Quote from: Ezekiel Fenix on May 22, 2013, 07:00:07 PM
EDIT EDIT: Lastly, Now that Delcio is a live turkey, I don't really think we should eat it.
I rofl-ed in real life just now.

I'd say that my only concerns are that those spells might just become nooby spells that their usage will be frown upon, specially if they're used to annoy others.

We had a cow mob that moo-ed over and over and people got mad with it because it spammed them and considering newbies can be effected transfigurations shouldn't have any say/emote effects.

Not only it can get spammy and annoying, new players often don't know how to use OOC, Say or PMs, they always use only 1 channel, it can really be a problem if you just googled Harry Potter game, found TWC and is entirely new to BYOND and TWC.

Even if they get self to human upon level 16, if they're new to BYOND they'll have problems leveling, using verbs etc.

And even if they're not new to BYOND, we also have players who just refuse to level and are stuck at level 2 for months.

It will surely be cool if transfigurations had some effect but let's actually make them fun effects that people will want to use and not annoying spells that can harm newbies or even regular players.

After reading those ideas, I realized I like a lot of the environment related effects so here's another:

I don't know which transfiguration should do it but you could have an effect where you can ignore swamp's slowness.

Another effect could be removal of name tag so people can hide behind objects again. (I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING)

While we find good effects for some transfiguration spells we don't have to do all of them, perhaps in the future TWC will have more fun things such as new environments, monsters, items and tricks so we could come up with more good effects. It's better to have some than none at all.

Skystone

Quote from: Rotem on May 22, 2013, 08:06:26 PM
Quote from: Ezekiel Fenix on May 22, 2013, 07:00:07 PM
EDIT EDIT: Lastly, Now that Delcio is a live turkey, I don't really think we should eat it.
Not only it can get spammy and annoying, new players often don't know how to use OOC, Say or PMs, they always use only 1 channel, it can really be a problem if you just googled Harry Potter game, found TWC and is entirely new to BYOND and TWC.

Even if they get self to human upon level 16, if they're new to BYOND they'll have problems leveling, using verbs etc.

And even if they're not new to BYOND, we also have players who just refuse to level and are stuck at level 2 for months.

                  I was one of those players that googled Harry Potter, found TWC and played it. I didn't even know what Byond was until a few days afterwards. After a while however, I recognized what commands did what. Players know how to experiment and figure things out (unless they're either a) Too scared or b) Too dumb). Which will usually allow them to understand how the game works in a day or so. OOC and say are easy things to figure out, and I understood it quickly. OOC = For all to hear, Say = Local/around you. I doubt really new players don't understand how those work. They're just not communicating too much because maybe they haven't played a game like this. It's only when people don't help them that they get frustrated and give up the game. Not because of others harming them, but of others not caring about them. Which will either lead to (as I said before) getting frustrated and quitting Byond (and TWC in this case) or playing the game for a little while and until they finally they figure out what to do/until someone helps them out.

Quote from: Rotem on May 22, 2013, 08:06:26 PM
It will surely be cool if transfigurations had some effect but let's actually make them fun effects that people will want to use and not annoying spells that can harm newbies or even regular players.
I think fun or useful affects are the best I agree with Rotem. I don't really much use in a trans spell that harms the player.


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Tobias Cauldwell

Alright, so instead of animal talk being in say, what if it is "hidden" from others unless you are an animal ... almost like a whisper, only seen by animals... and every so often a random emote will appear describing something your animal would do.


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Overall the Transfiguration spell effects idea is good and positive towards the future soo
+1 bro