The test screen mode

[Murrawhip]

So now that ya'll have had a chance to see that new screen mode from the Settings menu, how do you feel about it?
Should I further develop it? Or is the larger view mode too disconcerting? I know that BYOND's 10 frames-per-second becomes a lot more noticeable when you're seeing a lot more tiles.

[Lavenblade]

At first glance it felt really weird to me. Made dueling look weird and all, you know? I think it would be nice to negotiate the option to toggle both types of views. I also think that the range of sight should be adjusted to be fair. =P

EDIT: I didn't notice a lag issue I don't think. Well, I did at one point that was abnormal and really bad, but I don't remember which view I was using. Might have been my end. However I doubt it with my current rates. It should handle TWC just fine. Could have been some server lag too. I did a ping and got back like.... .14 Seconds for a round trip ping. Better than Rotems. So maybe it was the other view and I had a slower FPS?

[Murrawhip]

I need some feedback peeps! Should I scrap this? Should I make it the default view?

I've added a poll to this post. Lemme know.

[Rotem]

I get mixed feelings about what should happen, I find the feature cool but on the other hand I'm not sure if it fits inside TWC.
There's also the fact I'm already used to limited view, I might love it once I adept.


While the feature is kinda cool when it comes to dueling it causes kind of a big change.

When fighting in the beta I get more confused since you have to look at a much bigger area, it's less focused.
We also tend to use longer range and avoid close combat when using this mode, a big disadvantage if you're not using it.

I would say that it wasn't really in long enough for fighters to notice it, perhaps you should make it default view and have a toggle off for it so people will actually know it's there.
(At the moment most people just go on normally without testing it)

Another thing would be the size of the map, TWC's maps seem so small when I use it, every floor would fit in my screen.
It does kill searching events.

I don't really know how it could be changed nor do I know whether it should be removed or made default so I'll avoid voting.

[Joshy]

It feels as though the games slower for me when in this view mode. I'm not sure if its my end or yours though.

If it's because of this view, then im thumbs down, ta!

[Murrawhip]

It feels as though the games slower for me when in this view mode. I'm not sure if its my end or yours though.

If it's because of this view, then im thumbs down, ta!

It's unlikely to make anything slower, if it did, it'd be on your end as your GPU would have to be drawing more tiles. You can check to see what percentage of your GPU is being used to see if that's the case.
BYOND by default runs at 10 frames-per-second, and we get used to that after a while. When you increase the screen size however, this limitation is easier to see, which makes it seem as though the new screen mode is making things laggy. I think if you used it for awhile you'd probably get used to it.

Personally, I haven't been using it because I got sick of turning it back on each time I logged in. (/I forget to)

[Lavenblade]

For the sake of dueling and stratagy, keep it out. IF you can manage something like it but with a set view, then so be it.

If you do end up keeping it in as it is, i'd very much like to see a toggle that saves your last option set.

[Lucifer]

I love the new mode, I think it's great for watching fights especially. Quidditch will be better with it too. It makes me feel more into the game.

I voted to make it default. I think it should be made default, then have the old modes to fall back on if you'd rather change it to them.

[Lavenblade]

I love the new mode, I think it's great for watching fights especially. Quidditch will be better with it too. It makes me feel more into the game.

I voted to make it default. I think it should be made default, then have the old modes to fall back on if you'd rather change it to them.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on how to fix the dueling problem.

There would be no more surprise attacks.
You'd see everything so dueling wouldn't be the same.
What about those with smaller monitors? How would dueling work then?

[Rotem]

I think it should be changed but I don't really know how.

It's obviously not complete, the question is what can possibly make it better to solve the issues.

It obviously changes dueling, it isn't fair if some people can see more than others.
If your screen is big enough you can see A LOT of tiles, half of the map can fit in your screen.

Any ideas to what can be done?

[Lucifer]

I'd love to hear your thoughts on how to fix the dueling problem.

I don't see a dueling problem. Like Murra said it can even make it seem laggier because the 10 FPS is more noticeable on a bigger screen.

There would be no more surprise attacks.

I don't see why this really matters, but you could always use a cloak if you want to do a surprise attack on someone.

You'd see everything so dueling wouldn't be the same.
What about those with smaller monitors? How would dueling work then?

You don't see everything on a monitor, the screenshot I took of outside Hogwarts and at the Quidditch Pitch was on my 50" TV with the sidebar moved pretty far to the right. It's bigger but unless you move the sidebar all the way to the right it isn't /that/ much bigger. If you really want to get a little bit bigger of a view, save up $200 (if that) and buy a decent 1920x1080 monitor.

People stat train for 100s, maybe 1000s of hours to get a big advantage in dueling, I don't see a problem with having a small advantage for working 20-ish hours minimum wage and putting it into a screen.

[Rotem]

People stat train for 100s, maybe 1000s of hours to get a big advantage in dueling, I don't see a problem with having a small advantage for working 20-ish hours minimum wage and putting it into a screen.

How is it fair for a 9 years old kid?
Or someone that can't work.

You can't compare stat training and working, that's like comparing eating pies on TWC and eating pizzas in real life.

[Murrawhip]

What advantage do you /really/ get by seeing a few extra tiles though? A dueling spell's range is still only ~7 tiles, which everyone can see regardless.

Ehh.. I'm not sure about this. I get that it seems unfair that some people can see extra, but is it a big deal for this game?

[Rotem]

In a duel you constantly move.
Even if you're not 7 tiles away from someone, you can walk into a projectile by moving into it when it was shot outside of your screen.

It might not seem like a big deal but during battle it pretty much is.

I had a duel with someone and they were constantly outside of my screen and still managed to aim at me.

A more obvious example would be making a wall of projectiles into someone's movement path before they see you, then you end up running into it.

[Lucifer]

People stat train for 100s, maybe 1000s of hours to get a big advantage in dueling, I don't see a problem with having a small advantage for working 20-ish hours minimum wage and putting it into a screen.

How is it fair for a 9 years old kid?
Or someone that can't work.

You can't compare stat training and working, that's like comparing eating pies on TWC and eating pizzas in real life.

I had my first job at 10 years old raking leaves with a friend.

Why can't you compare them? Rewards of working and stat training are based on the exact same thing - the amount of hours you put in (with a few exceptions: entrepreneurs, etc...).