Thread regarding reasons why people don't play:
Please make the most brutally honest comment as to why you do not play TWC.
If it's a case of "everyone's inactive"... you are "everyone".
Comment below!
No one talks to me when I get on. :I
Honestly putting in the effort isn't worth it for me anymore. That's partially because I'm lazy, but what's the point of trying to be the best when there's no one to brag to. Having someone to compete against also makes for more fun. I had the most fun on TWC as part of the aurors competing against deatheaters. Of course there were many problems that came from that competition but it was still fun. These days I just don't see the point of getting better items and improving my skill. That is why I no longer actively play.
Because they've spoiled the game. Unfortunately.
Quote from: Vsevolod on December 19, 2016, 10:14:48 AMBecause they've spoiled the game. Unfortunately.
How did we manage that?
because its just so inactive and even when players aren't AFKED there just not talking or doing anything ^^
Quote from: Massive on December 22, 2016, 06:22:41 PMbecause its just so inactive and even when players aren't AFKED there just not talking or doing anything ^^
How is that the fault of the staff? We can host events until we're black and blue in the face but, at the end of the day, we need active members of the community to participate. The game currently has a low income of players who want to stick around for longer than a few days. The RPG community is competitive and unfortunately, in this day and age, TWC can't fight back due to it being a 2D BYOND game.
If you want to raise the player base, come online and stir up some activity and actually make an attempt to PLAY the game, rather than expecting others to play for you.
Just popped in to quickly check up on any PM's I may have missed and saw this thread-
A few reasons-
First, the game lost it's nostalgic feel. It's not the same game I fell in love with as a kid.
Second, being away for so long I've pretty much lost contact with everyone except maybe a couple people. With everyone changing names and changing keys, I'm not even sure who is who anymore.
Third, It's almost 2017 and the game is dead-
Fourth, my last ban was utter crap, and I vowed I wouldn't become active again because of it. Sure, one guy turning his back on a game doesn't do anything- but over time the effect makes its mark- Especially when others do the same.
Anyways, not trying to hate just being brutally honest. Hope everyone is doing well!
So, essentially, they're all personal reasons on your half. We can't do anything to fix the way you're feeling as it's not our fault you're getting older, that's just life.
Regarding the ban, I can't find anything written down about it so I'm assuming it was a long time ago and that you're unbanned now. What players need to understand about bans is, the staff are people too and we make judgements unbiasedly to the best of our ability but at the end of the day, we are people who can make mistakes. If you really think you were unjustly treated, there's nothing from stopping you making a calm and polite thread, stating why you were unjustly banned. If you're an asshole, chances are nothing will be done and you'll remain banned until Rotem feels forgiving.
It's almost 2017 and TWC has never been a better game. It's just sad that we can't count on our older community members to keep it alive.
All of it is personal issues and pretty much just due to taste and growing up. Nothing to do with the current staff. TWC may be just the game for you and I'm in no way trying to not recommend it.
I will say this is one of the strongest and longest standing communities I have seen.
EDIT: Yeah, it really does suck the older community has almost completely moved on. However, TWC will always have a special place in our hearts. A lot of us grew up with this game and it's not something that will ever be forgotten. Heck, me being here now proves that. I just had to take a peak!
What has happened to TWC is what has happened to Runescape.
Runescape went to EOC(Evolution of Combat) and the whole game shifted. Leading to people leaving, just like what was happening here.
To disregard this, would be dumb. Clearly. As Runescape, a large game, with a large player base had to acknowledge this and brought back Oldschool/2007scape. Leading to the players returning. Nostalgia is not something you lose as you get older. It's what you gain from age.
When I'm 70 years old, I'll still feel nostalgia from watching Harry Potter.
wanna bet?
Take old source, host it, gm it whatever the fuck u wanna do with it.
Get more players than main twc steady for a year. To get a hold of a legit old TWC source all you gotta do is download a zip of one of the older TWC releases or even the first release by Murra on GitHub.
While supporting that version is fine by me just to prove you wrong, getting people to GM it or "managing" that server will be asking too much so you're better be prepared to do it yourself or get someone else to.
#NoMoreEmptyTalk #JustDoIt #OSTWC #MakeTWCGreatAgain
We'll be incredibly disappointed if you chicken out of this Dazzler.
Quote from: Dazzler on December 28, 2016, 10:20:50 AMWhat has happened to TWC is what has happened to Runescape.
Runescape went to EOC(Evolution of Combat) and the whole game shifted. Leading to people leaving, just like what was happening here.
To disregard this, would be dumb. Clearly. As Runescape, a large game, with a large player base had to acknowledge this and brought back Oldschool/2007scape. Leading to the players returning. Nostalgia is not something you lose as you get older. It's what you gain from age.
When I'm 70 years old, I'll still feel nostalgia from watching Harry Potter.
Why are you comparing Runescape to TWC? Runescape literally has more players on the new server than the old one. There are some who even play on both at times (myself included).
They only 'brought it back' because of the amount of people who wanted it. Not because of players leaving the game. If I recall, there was a thread + Poll asking for it.
TWC having a mix of old and young players gives a mixture of different views everyday. Not to mention the differences of first languages. A lot of players like Drama, while others can't handle it (For an example: DEs vs Aurors) and while that is okay, at the end of the day we're all Human beings who have lives that can't be avoided (Unless you're bored as fuck in a Hospital, then you can avoid it and play games)
What I've noticed with players is that they seem to want things, but when it is brought to them it's only touched for a little while and left alone to get dust in it's roots. They aren't actively trying to help out with keeping the magic alive, which on that note, AFKers get complained about all the time. But yet said complainers /always/ go AFK themselves.
So that's just putting fuel to the fire to be in a continuous loop. If you truly want this game to keep going, then actively try to improve the activity. GET people involved, not just /one/ little day. Constantly /every single day/. Don't blame anyone but yourselves for not contributing to fight the problem. Staff relies on players while players rely on Staff. We all need to do our part to keep TWC alive and prospering and not wither to die.
Wait did you say RS3 has more players than Osrs i really dont know where you're getting your sources from but even from Osrs dev team they released a data stream in which they say that Osrs gets more players than they even think never mind what RS3 players think and actually they did bring Osrs out because people were leaving and they're doing a better job at developing the game bringing out updates every Thursday which include new quests fixes item changes as well as they're bring out raids (A much better version of Dungeonering) Osrs brings out content the community wants and polls every single update i even mentioned that to Rotem yet i think she got the wrong idea about that what happens is in the Q&A streams they answer a lot of questions as well as bring up a load of things the community has suggested they then go over why it wont work or what else they could do to get the same effect THEN it also has to go through a poll requiring 75% of the players to vote yes for the thing to actually get put in unless its a fix or a slight change that doesnt matter too much which results in the players getting what they want in the game instead of being forced to do content they do not like as well as making it so there isnt one person who says this is the game now dont like it leave.
Also the reason RS got brought up as being simillar to TWC is because a lot of updates on TWC resembles what Osrs has one thing being boss pets which are around 1/5k drop chance and can be a lot rarer than that.
Edit* Go look at the Runescape twitch page and look at how much Osrs overpowers RS3 in popularity not many of the streamers for Osrs are even on and all the top streams are from Osrs even the biggest RS streamer there is B0aty is a Osrs streamer if you think what they did with that wouldnt work you're being ignorant you cant mock something you havent tried before now can you.
Quote from: Kole on December 29, 2016, 06:58:59 AMWait did you say RS3 has more players than Osrs i really dont know where you're getting your sources...
Could we keep this thread on topic please, it's useful to hear people's reason as to y u no play. An analogy to another game is fine but your Runescape rant threw us a little off course. I'd actually be really interested to hear y u no play.
I'm surprised this thread doesn't have more replies. TWC - y u no play? Here is your chance for brutal honesty. Because,
Quote from: Rotem on December 28, 2016, 06:44:26 PMTake old source, host it, gm it whatever the fuck u wanna do with it.
Get more players than main twc steady for a year.
maybe somebody reading everybody's opinions might just do this very thing, but with your vision.
Sev
If you havent realised a lot of the things i said in my "Rant" include things TWC doesnt do theres only one person dictating what is added and how things are done how do you expect people to play when you're making a game suited on your views and not that of your player base there are more people who play other than yourself and really the nostalgic feel is gone because TWC isnt the game people started playing and that is in fact the developments fault you cant pin that on people aging as the reason the feeling is gone is because everything has changed such as the map it has been completely redone, the combat you can say TWC has gone through its own evolution of combat with the enchantments and wand levels as you get a major boost from those things even the environment has changed the trees are a different icon even the grass is different all those changes makes TWC different and gets rid of the nostalgia which the players once had its not longer the game they played which really that makes my rant on point as its the reason people stopped playing RS everything changed and it wasnt the game the people fell in love with instead it was something different
One person? The fuck game you talking about. Every little big change like guilds for example was what the player base at the time wanted. If any thing the players killed the game themselves. Regardless of any content change there is one thing that TWC can't live without and never will be able to and that is Drama. :)
Quote from: Justin on December 29, 2016, 08:28:46 PMRegardless of any content change there is one thing that TWC can't live without and never will be able to and that is Drama. :)
Agreed. :) As TWC describes below.
Quote from: Rotem on March 29, 2016, 01:05:17 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAtCE3lbvNo
Quote from: Kole on December 29, 2016, 07:40:57 AMTWC different and gets rid of the nostalgia which the players once had its not longer the game they played which really that makes my rant on point as its the reason people stopped playing RS everything changed and it wasnt the game the people fell in love with instead it was something different
Funny you say that, Kole. Considering I still get nostalgia when I play both TWC and RS. People age, their interests differ as they get older. That is one major factor to their decisions. Everything added into the game is what the "development"(as you call it) and the players, wanted. If you seriously can't get nostalgia by thinking of the past, then I'm sorry to hear that. Older players will always get nostalgia. One part of Hogwarts can spark it. It all depends on what affected you the most to get that memory to come back to you.
A game acts like real life at times. Things evolve, time moves on. Most of the playerbase is well in their 20s+ now. Some of us started at age 11-12, some of us even moved on because of life getting in the way. Shit happens.
Also? Still waiting on Dazzler for that server. I don't want to be disappointed.
Quote from: Severus on December 29, 2016, 07:34:40 AMCould we keep this thread on topic please, it's useful to hear people's reason as to y u no play. An analogy to another game is fine but your Runescape rant threw us a little off course. I'd actually be really interested to hear y u no play.
To answer the thread's original topic, I'm trying to still play, however I'm trying to work around my work schedule to figure out days I can play. Unfortunately, it doesn't let me know 2-3 weeks in advanced, so I'm always doing a guessing game until it comes out usually Thursday or Friday of the current week I'd be in.
Eh, I'm an old player and the nostalgia is gone for me. The game is not the same as it was then. Sure, maybe everyone was okay with it but when you change so much of the game that it isn't simply the same game, you can lose the nostalgic feeling.
You can think about how the game was in the past all you want, but the reality is the game isn't the same anymore.
I'll just quote the definition of nostalgia to aid in others understanding why some of us feel the nostalgia is lost.
QuoteNostalgia
A sentimental longing or wistful affection for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.
You can have nostalgia from the memories, I guess...
However, the game as it stands is no longer nostalgic. The game simply isn't the same as it was in the past.
EDIT: I also don't think it's fair to throw the burden of developing a 'TWC Classic' on to Dazzler just because he's not happy with the current state. It's not fair of Rotem to say what she said, nor is it fair for Sara to keep trying to push it on him.
Quote from: Rotem on December 28, 2016, 06:44:26 PMwanna bet?
Take old source, host it, gm it whatever the fuck u wanna do with it.
Get more players than main twc steady for a year. To get a hold of a legit old TWC source all you gotta do is download a zip of one of the older TWC releases or even the first release by Murra on GitHub.
While supporting that version is fine by me just to prove you wrong, getting people to GM it or "managing" that server will be asking too much so you're better be prepared to do it yourself or get someone else to.
#NoMoreEmptyTalk #JustDoIt #OSTWC #MakeTWCGreatAgain
We'll be incredibly disappointed if you chicken out of this Dazzler.
Just because he stated his opinion that you don't agree with, it doesn't mean you need to challenge him as a developer, programmer, or server owner. He's speaking from a players perspective, and pretty much nobody here except for Rotem is even competent as it stands.
I'd like to note that I didn't mean Dazzler should go at it alone.
What I mean to say is that instead of always blaming me and putting that burden 100% on me, someone, anyone, could, instead of complaining, do something about it. Especially since it's open source.
I also stated I'm willing to help with those areas of the game, just not the GMing of it.
Dazzler has previously stated he's representing a group of people that don't care to play TWC anymore due to a large list of demands. I fail to understand why they just shout at me and bitch instead of unite together to get their hearts content, it's doable, it's easy together and if I were in their shoes and someone just offered me help and gave me the option, I'd at least reply with "Hey, I'm interested, I'd try to help, what do we do now?" and wait on others to do the same.
The fact not a single person has replied with any interest to actually help by DOING anything other than fucking bitch.
I'd like to fucking note, I'm not different to you, I'm a person, a human being like you, who don't get paid to work on TWC, I played TWC, like you, I am a player, like you, who cares, like you claim to. There's 0 difference between me and anyone else except the fact I stood up and did something to try and help.
I'm not really alone there, there's been people who tried to help to their ability, remember Lucifer and his advertising over radio, videos, Skystone later tried as well then he started college.
This entire post by Severus is an attempt to spark activity, he's trying.
I'd very much like to get back to what Severus intended for this post except I'll rephrase the question.
Why do you no longer play TWC, what can be done to help and what do you plan to do about it?
The only reason any of us tried to change up TWC was because it was dying in the first place. We didn't kill TWC, we revived it and it seems that in the process, we've somehow landed the blame.
TWC is a better game now. You can actually PLAY it.
Maps can change, mechanics can change but at the end of the day, it's still the same game that people loved years ago. It's just better.
Quote from: Ben on December 31, 2016, 12:06:03 PMMaps can change, mechanics can change but at the end of the day, it's still the same game that people loved years ago. It's just better.
I respect your passion Ben, but I'd say that's more subjective. :P
Quote from: Lavenblade on December 23, 2016, 08:34:02 AMFourth, my last ban was utter crap, and I vowed I wouldn't become active again because of it.
Was that the one where you forced a bunch of really inappropriate porn onto a game filled with children? If not, I'm kinda disappointed that you were unbanned after that, because fuck you for subjecting innocent children to that just because you're incapable of controlling your own mental issues.
Quote from: Kole on December 29, 2016, 07:40:57 AMIf you havent realised a lot of the things i said in my "Rant" include things TWC doesnt do theres only one person dictating what is added and how things are done how do you expect people to play when you're making a game suited on your views and not that of your player base there are more people who play other than yourself and really the nostalgic feel is gone because TWC isnt the game people started playing and that is in fact the developments fault you cant pin that on people aging as the reason the feeling is gone is because everything has changed such as the map it has been completely redone, the combat you can say TWC has gone through its own evolution of combat with the enchantments and wand levels as you get a major boost from those things even the environment has changed the trees are a different icon even the grass is different all those changes makes TWC different and gets rid of the nostalgia which the players once had its not longer the game they played which really that makes my rant on point as its the reason people stopped playing RS everything changed and it wasnt the game the people fell in love with instead it was something different
I tried to quote just a specific part of your message before realising most of it was actually the longest sentence in the history of sentences. Plz learn to sentence.
It's been mentioned to death, but for fuck's sake it has to be pointed out again... If you don't like the direction the main game is going, you can take the fucking game and contribute to it the way you want. It's the
entire reason I open-sourced it. Absolutely, this thread is asking for feedback on why the game is failing, but you don't have to be a fucking dickhead about it. How else can this game progress if Rotem isn't willing to make decisions? Nobody else is!
Obviously I don't put time into TWC anymore, but it's just ludicrous to me that the
same people are personally attacking the programmer (thankfully no longer me) about their decisions, instead of trying to help. I've begged for help. I've seen Rotem beg for help.
Do it, or go away.
Ive actually helped Rotem with things though i got tired of getting shit from Justin about my icons and saying he could do better anyway so i thought fuck it if you want to do it all yourself the only way i could help was with icons due to the fact my memory is shit when i try to code i forget everything about it so i contributed the way i could until i got bored of getting shit from other people who were meant to be helping also you say it like anyone can add things they like a lot of TWCers cant code and the ones that do get shut down a lot
Edit* Oh also if you didnt know i was GM at one point i spent a lot of my time on making icons making sure they fitted into the game by doing edits to them in a custom event map oh right i got shit from the other GM's for doing that too
Quote from: Kole on January 02, 2017, 09:12:45 AMalso you say it like anyone can add things they like a lot of TWCers cant code and the ones that do get shut down a lot
I do not believe every TWCer can contribute code and I've never asked for that. I do ask that they don't spout off this nonsense: "theres only one person dictating what is added and how things are done" - when Rotem and I have wanted the opposite for as long as the game's existed. It's a very rude and false implication, and derails the purpose of this thread.
You seem to have totally ignored the rest of my reply in which i mention i was helping and got shit for it so what do you say to that almighty Murrawhip?
Also where did Lavens reply go? Did you just delete it? as if thats the case thats not very professional of you to try and silence people when they back up their arguments.
Quote from: Kole on January 02, 2017, 05:38:58 PMYou seem to have totally ignored the rest of my reply in which i mention i was helping and got shit for it so what do you say to that almighty Murrawhip?
And you seem to have ignored my response... Your post implied that Rotem is a dictator and that's both untrue and offensive. These forums aren't the place for that kind of talk.
You say that you received shit for helping but I'm not sure how that justifies you coming on here and calling people who have put significantly more time and effort into this game for free, 'dictators'. Perhaps you should address your criticisms of how people treated you in a more constructive way. I certainly never heard any complaints up until now.
Quote from: Kole on January 02, 2017, 05:38:58 PMAlso where did Lavens reply go? Did you just delete it? as if thats the case thats not very professional of you to try and silence people when they back up their arguments.
Of course I deleted it. I do not attempt to be 'professional' in a Harry Potter game I made when I was a teen. If Lavitiz wanted to 'back up' his arguments, he would have been very welcome to do that in a civilized way. When he has a breakdown and starts flinging insults at me in a private setting alongside a second rude reply on the forums, he will be removed - rightly so.
It's so simple to provide criticism in a way that doesn't insult and offend us. If you don't feel like doing that, please don't be surprised when it turns out that you've rustled my jimmies.
Actually i mentioned polls to Rotem for up coming content and she refused i didnt say she was dictator nor did i point her out yet still players dont have a say in if they want something added
Quote from: Kole on January 02, 2017, 06:59:23 PMi didnt say she was dictator
Quote from: Kole on December 29, 2016, 07:40:57 AMtheres only one person dictating what is added
Huh?
Quote from: Kole on January 02, 2017, 06:59:23 PMplayers dont have a say in if they want something added
The thousands of suggestions posts and many posts wherein Rotem asks for feedback contradicts that.
We ask for help a lot, so it kinda blows my mind when you claim players have no say.
hi posting this a couple weeks after, but i just wanted to say that the game's been fun and all
but for the most part i would probably log back in just for some nostalgia and to be able to socialize with people
but then i'd leave because gameplay wise, i don't look for as much as i used to
also with other games, preparing for uni, graduating high school and all that
not really a lot of time to think about the nostalgia of this game
the community, the GMs, the events, the special features, everything is all pretty solid and i'm sure a new generation of players can keep the game thriving.
again, all of the new additions for gameplay and stuff is FASCINATING, but it doesn't appeal to me as i would come to the game for the social aspect :) <3
Quote from: DuhCosmicApple on January 14, 2017, 11:08:20 PMall of the new additions for gameplay and stuff is FASCINATING, but it doesn't appeal to me as i would come to the game for the social aspect :) <3
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Quote from: Harlekin on February 01, 2017, 08:36:58 AMQuote from: Vsevolod on December 19, 2016, 10:14:48 AMBecause they've spoiled the game. Unfortunately.
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Thanks for reminding me why I don't wish to continue TWC and I accept shutting it down, ungrateful cunt.
The minute you quote Vsevolod you know you're a piece of shit, especially on this timing.
Thank you Rotem, you are very polite woman...