Y u no play?

Started by Severus, November 26, 2016, 08:53:05 AM

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Kole

If you havent realised a lot of the things i said in my "Rant" include things TWC doesnt do theres only one person dictating what is added and how things are done how do you expect people to play when you're making a game suited on your views and not that of your player base there are more people who play other than yourself and really the nostalgic feel is gone because TWC isnt the game people started playing and that is in fact the developments fault you cant pin that on people aging as the reason the feeling is gone is because everything has changed such as the map it has been completely redone, the combat you can say TWC has gone through its own evolution of combat with the enchantments and wand levels as you get a major boost from those things even the environment has changed the trees are a different icon even the grass is different all those changes makes TWC different and gets rid of the nostalgia which the players once had its not longer the game they played which really that makes my rant on point as its the reason people stopped playing RS everything changed and it wasnt the game the people fell in love with instead it was something different

Justin

One person? The fuck game you talking about. Every little big change like guilds for example was what the player base at the time wanted. If any thing the players killed the game themselves. Regardless of any content change there is one thing that TWC can't live without and never will be able to and that is Drama. :)

Pie

Quote from: Justin on December 29, 2016, 08:28:46 PMRegardless of any content change there is one thing that TWC can't live without and never will be able to and that is Drama. :)

Agreed. :) As TWC describes below.
Quote from: Rotem on March 29, 2016, 01:05:17 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAtCE3lbvNo

Sara

Quote from: Kole on December 29, 2016, 07:40:57 AMTWC different and gets rid of the nostalgia which the players once had its not longer the game they played which really that makes my rant on point as its the reason people stopped playing RS everything changed and it wasnt the game the people fell in love with instead it was something different

Funny you say that, Kole. Considering I still get nostalgia when I play both TWC and RS. People age, their interests differ as they get older. That is one major factor to their decisions. Everything added into the game is what the "development"(as you call it) and the players, wanted. If you seriously can't get nostalgia by thinking of the past, then I'm sorry to hear that. Older players will always get nostalgia. One part of Hogwarts can spark it. It all depends on what affected you the most to get that memory to come back to you.

A game acts like real life at times. Things evolve, time moves on. Most of the playerbase is well in their 20s+ now. Some of us started at age 11-12, some of us even moved on because of life getting in the way. Shit happens.

Also? Still waiting on Dazzler for that server. I don't want to be disappointed.

Quote from: Severus on December 29, 2016, 07:34:40 AMCould we keep this thread on topic please, it's useful to hear people's reason as to y u no play. An analogy to another game is fine but your Runescape rant threw us a little off course. I'd actually be really interested to hear y u no play.

To answer the thread's original topic, I'm trying to still play, however I'm trying to work around my work schedule to figure out days I can play. Unfortunately, it doesn't let me know 2-3 weeks in advanced, so I'm always doing a guessing game until it comes out usually Thursday or Friday of the current week I'd be in.

Lavenblade

December 30, 2016, 06:09:58 PM #19 Last Edit: December 30, 2016, 06:15:56 PM by Lavenblade
Eh, I'm an old player and the nostalgia is gone for me. The game is not the same as it was then. Sure, maybe everyone was okay with it but when you change so much of the game that it isn't simply the same game, you can lose the nostalgic feeling.

You can think about how the game was in the past all you want, but the reality is the game isn't the same anymore.

I'll just quote the definition of nostalgia to aid in others understanding why some of us feel the nostalgia is lost.

QuoteNostalgia
A sentimental longing or wistful affection for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.

You can have nostalgia from the memories, I guess...

However, the game as it stands is no longer nostalgic. The game simply isn't the same as it was in the past.

EDIT: I also don't think it's fair to throw the burden of developing a 'TWC Classic' on to Dazzler just because he's not happy with the current state. It's not fair of Rotem to say what she said, nor is it fair for Sara to keep trying to push it on him.

Quote from: Rotem on December 28, 2016, 06:44:26 PMwanna bet?

Take old source, host it, gm it whatever the fuck u wanna do with it.

Get more players than main twc steady for a year. To get a hold of a legit old TWC source all you gotta do is download a zip of one of the older TWC releases or even the first release by Murra on GitHub.

While supporting that version is fine by me just to prove you wrong, getting people to GM it or "managing" that server will be asking too much so you're better be prepared to do it yourself or get someone else to.

#NoMoreEmptyTalk #JustDoIt #OSTWC #MakeTWCGreatAgain

We'll be incredibly disappointed if you chicken out of this Dazzler.

Just because he stated his opinion that you don't agree with, it doesn't mean you need to challenge him as a developer, programmer, or server owner. He's speaking from a players perspective, and pretty much nobody here except for Rotem is even competent as it stands.

Rotem

I'd like to note that I didn't mean Dazzler should go at it alone.
What I mean to say is that instead of always blaming me and putting that burden 100% on me, someone, anyone, could, instead of complaining, do something about it. Especially since it's open source.

I also stated I'm willing to help with those areas of the game, just not the GMing of it.

Dazzler has previously stated he's representing a group of people that don't care to play TWC anymore due to a large list of demands. I fail to understand why they just shout at me and bitch instead of unite together to get their hearts content, it's doable, it's easy together and if I were in their shoes and someone just offered me help and gave me the option, I'd at least reply with "Hey, I'm interested, I'd try to help, what do we do now?" and wait on others to do the same.

The fact not a single person has replied with any interest to actually help by DOING anything other than fucking bitch.

I'd like to fucking note, I'm not different to you, I'm a person, a human being like you, who don't get paid to work on TWC, I played TWC, like you, I am a player, like you, who cares, like you claim to. There's 0 difference between me and anyone else except the fact I stood up and did something to try and help.

I'm not really alone there, there's been people who tried to help to their ability, remember Lucifer and his advertising over radio, videos, Skystone later tried as well then he started college.

This entire post by Severus is an attempt to spark activity, he's trying.



I'd very much like to get back to what Severus intended for this post except I'll rephrase the question.

Why do you no longer play TWC, what can be done to help and what do you plan to do about it?


Ben

The only reason any of us tried to change up TWC was because it was dying in the first place. We didn't kill TWC, we revived it and it seems that in the process, we've somehow landed the blame.

TWC is a better game now. You can actually PLAY it.

Maps can change, mechanics can change but at the end of the day, it's still the same game that people loved years ago. It's just better.

Lavenblade

Quote from: Ben on December 31, 2016, 12:06:03 PMMaps can change, mechanics can change but at the end of the day, it's still the same game that people loved years ago. It's just better.
I respect your passion Ben, but I'd say that's more subjective. :P

Murrawhip

Quote from: Lavenblade on December 23, 2016, 08:34:02 AMFourth, my last ban was utter crap, and I vowed I wouldn't become active again because of it.

Was that the one where you forced a bunch of really inappropriate porn onto a game filled with children? If not, I'm kinda disappointed that you were unbanned after that, because fuck you for subjecting innocent children to that just because you're incapable of controlling your own mental issues.

Murrawhip

Quote from: Kole on December 29, 2016, 07:40:57 AMIf you havent realised a lot of the things i said in my "Rant" include things TWC doesnt do theres only one person dictating what is added and how things are done how do you expect people to play when you're making a game suited on your views and not that of your player base there are more people who play other than yourself and really the nostalgic feel is gone because TWC isnt the game people started playing and that is in fact the developments fault you cant pin that on people aging as the reason the feeling is gone is because everything has changed such as the map it has been completely redone, the combat you can say TWC has gone through its own evolution of combat with the enchantments and wand levels as you get a major boost from those things even the environment has changed the trees are a different icon even the grass is different all those changes makes TWC different and gets rid of the nostalgia which the players once had its not longer the game they played which really that makes my rant on point as its the reason people stopped playing RS everything changed and it wasnt the game the people fell in love with instead it was something different

I tried to quote just a specific part of your message before realising most of it was actually the longest sentence in the history of sentences. Plz learn to sentence.

It's been mentioned to death, but for fuck's sake it has to be pointed out again... If you don't like the direction the main game is going, you can take the fucking game and contribute to it the way you want. It's the entire reason I open-sourced it. Absolutely, this thread is asking for feedback on why the game is failing, but you don't have to be a fucking dickhead about it. How else can this game progress if Rotem isn't willing to make decisions? Nobody else is!

Obviously I don't put time into TWC anymore, but it's just ludicrous to me that the same people are personally attacking the programmer (thankfully no longer me) about their decisions, instead of trying to help. I've begged for help. I've seen Rotem beg for help. Do it, or go away.

Kole

January 02, 2017, 09:12:45 AM #25 Last Edit: January 02, 2017, 09:14:46 AM by Kole
Ive actually helped Rotem with things though i got tired of getting shit from Justin about my icons and saying he could do better anyway so i thought fuck it if you want to do it all yourself the only way i could help was with icons due to the fact my memory is shit when i try to code i forget everything about it so i contributed the way i could until i got bored of getting shit from other people who were meant to be helping also you say it like anyone can add things they like a lot of TWCers cant code and the ones that do get shut down a lot

Edit* Oh also if you didnt know i was GM at one point i spent a lot of my time on making icons making sure they fitted into the game by doing edits to them in a custom event map oh right i got shit from the other GM's for doing that too

Murrawhip

January 02, 2017, 04:07:54 PM #26 Last Edit: January 02, 2017, 04:10:08 PM by Murrawhip
Quote from: Kole on January 02, 2017, 09:12:45 AMalso you say it like anyone can add things they like a lot of TWCers cant code and the ones that do get shut down a lot

I do not believe every TWCer can contribute code and I've never asked for that. I do ask that they don't spout off this nonsense: "theres only one person dictating what is added and how things are done" - when Rotem and I have wanted the opposite for as long as the game's existed. It's a very rude and false implication, and derails the purpose of this thread.

Kole

You seem to have totally ignored the rest of my reply in which i mention i was helping and got shit for it so what do you say to that almighty Murrawhip?

Also where did Lavens reply go? Did you just delete it? as if thats the case thats not very professional of you to try and silence people when they back up their arguments.

Murrawhip

Quote from: Kole on January 02, 2017, 05:38:58 PMYou seem to have totally ignored the rest of my reply in which i mention i was helping and got shit for it so what do you say to that almighty Murrawhip?
And you seem to have ignored my response... Your post implied that Rotem is a dictator and that's both untrue and offensive. These forums aren't the place for that kind of talk.

You say that you received shit for helping but I'm not sure how that justifies you coming on here and calling people who have put significantly more time and effort into this game for free, 'dictators'. Perhaps you should address your criticisms of how people treated you in a more constructive way. I certainly never heard any complaints up until now.

Quote from: Kole on January 02, 2017, 05:38:58 PMAlso where did Lavens reply go? Did you just delete it? as if thats the case thats not very professional of you to try and silence people when they back up their arguments.
Of course I deleted it. I do not attempt to be 'professional' in a Harry Potter game I made when I was a teen. If Lavitiz wanted to 'back up' his arguments, he would have been very welcome to do that in a civilized way. When he has a breakdown and starts flinging insults at me in a private setting alongside a second rude reply on the forums, he will be removed - rightly so.

It's so simple to provide criticism in a way that doesn't insult and offend us. If you don't feel like doing that, please don't be surprised when it turns out that you've rustled my jimmies.

Kole

Actually i mentioned polls to Rotem for up coming content and she refused i didnt say she was dictator nor did i point her out yet still players dont have a say in if they want something added

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